This was no spur of the moment event. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. There must be other victims of this person as I cant see him stopping. On 30 March 2010 the Times Online quoted an unnamed police source with South Wales Police as saying: We have a real problem with amateur sleuths in this area. Jones was only 15 when he killed eight-year-old Freda Burnell, who'd been sent by her father to buy bird seed from the store where Jones was working. Published: 08:03 EST, 1 May 2019 | Updated: 13:00 EST, 1 May 2019. Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. Heres hoping one day soon Muriel gets some semblance of justice. Mr Hall, who was intrigued by the unsolved crime, says friends of Muriel remember her as the ``perfect pupil''. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . Jones and his wife Muriel hid a lot of secrets from their daughter and one of these secrets may have been Jones wasnt her father. Video, 00:01:00At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. Wales documentary screened at 10.30pm on Sunday 8 November 2020 spent a full 5 minutes suggesting that 2 books found in a Carmarthen bookshop recently had been taken from Muriels schoolbag in 1946 as trophies by the killer. But they said the results now ruled out Jones as a suspect in her murder. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. "I have spoken to Muriel's family and bring them up to date with the latest details of this investigation. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. Two other specific persons of interest have been put forward. Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. A moment later, Muriels path wound into a thickly wooded area, and her mother returned to her chores in the kitchen. Thanks again! In 2008,Detective Chief Inspector Paul Bethell located Muriels blue coat, underwear, and school uniform in police storage. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Video, 00:01:18Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, One-minute World News. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. Play it now! Vote. And no idea and Japanese workers. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. The savage nature of the attack stands out from other rapes. "Each case is reviewed periodically," he adds. Like you I hope there is justice one day for Muriel but sadly as more and more time passes I worry that becomes less likely. from Ron Harries and his cousin and from Muriels coat and yet are not releasing the results of the tests. The D.N.A. 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Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? Casey DeSantis says Ron looked like Tom Cruise in his white Navy uniform when then got married at Disney: Florida's First Family says venue was an 'ironic' choice, Ron DeSantis claims former Disney CEO Bob Chapek privately complained to him about the 'pressure' he was under from woke Left to wade in on Florida's 'Don't say gay' bill. Murder. Great questions! Video, 00:01:20WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. She was buried at St David's Church in Penllergaer. Neil Milkins. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the South Wales Polices Specialist Crime Review Unit announced to the press in May 2019: The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. First he lived in Fulham with a former London Metropolitan Police officer John Widdows and his daughter Muriel whom he married in 1948. 'Each case is reviewed periodically. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. 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[citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. Although the profile was loaded into the UK National DNA Database, it failed to match any of the approximately five million DNA records held there. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. However in 1965 he was registered as Harry Stevens in Putney AND at the same time he rented a property in Aldensley Road Hammersmith and was also registered but using the name Harry Jones. Regards. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. This forensic approach is becoming more common. "I found the original clothing," he said. "We had access to the files and identified that a semen stain had been found on the coat. This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. Update: I have left it two weeks for the . [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. A US Army Colt .45 service revolver was used to shoot Muriel Drinkwater, 12, in the chest, after her killer had beaten and raped her. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. Thank you Christine. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Police believe 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer when she was raped and murdered in 1946. Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. The True Crime Files is dedicated to all things #TrueCrime. On his way home, he passed Muriel as she walked along the path. DNA was taken from the relatives of both Muriel and Ronnie Harries but the results have not been made public. Im not sure how much of a farming business the family had or if they just casually sold eggs like many people in the country do. On 28 June 2021, I sent the following Freedom of Information Request to South Wales Police. Why? Jones D.N.A was not compared to the D.N.A left on Muriels coat by the killer. Video, 00:02:36, Up Next. Thanks again and take care. There is no doubt about that.". Evernote. Margaret went out into the yard and her and Muriel exchanged waves. They visited the Carmarthen bookshop to identify if the killers family had taken the books there. Thank you for listening to this episode of The True Crime Files. In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! "This was a terrible, terrible crime that someone has got away with for too long. The True Crime Files Photo added by Graceti. On July 7, 1946, eleven-year-old Sheila Martin was raped and strangled in woods near her home in Dartford. This seems like a dubious connection because there is roughly 230 miles (370 kilometres) between Dartford and Penllergaer,but on the day of Sheilas murder a large race meeting was held at Brands Hatch with over 9,000 attendees, one of whom could have been both Muriel and Shielas killer. Click hereto hear the Audio File of this case. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/crime/prison-inmate-accused-42-year-old-homicide-in-dixon-area/103-535ec3ad-2aa1-4d10-94a7-aafe4f6081ff, We are thrilled to announce that remains discovered in 2017 in Sanford, Maine at a building site have been identified. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . [8][4] Policemen from Glamorgan, assisted by the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit, used a metal detector to search for a second weapon suspected to have been used, but never located it. There were whispers that it was her stepfather that did it, although I believe John Drinkwater was her blood father. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[1]='FNAME';ftypes[1]='text';fnames[2]='LNAME';ftypes[2]='text';fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[3]='ADDRESS';ftypes[3]='address';fnames[4]='PHONE';ftypes[4]='phone';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Liked it? It was supposed to have been abandoned in 1944 but I know there were GIs who married Swansea girls still around in 1946. Hi Neil. Regards. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater ,[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. Regards. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. The case became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. 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Neil Milkins. First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. However, a lack of hard evidence would later see him freed. In mid 2007, I had extensive contact with Detective Constable Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police. Or was she just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. Paul.. "My grandparents changed completely. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. Former Detective Inspector Paul Bethell, who was in charge of South Wales Police's cold case team, explained in the documentary: "We know Muriel used to catch the school bus from the school to the gateway off the main road which led to the forestry, and then she would walk about a mile through the forestry, along the lane to the farmhouse.". Up Next. Mudgee General Cemetery. Two months too young to face the gallows, he was sent to Usk Prison where he sensationally confessed to the first killing, blaming the voice of a 'demon' in his head. Thomas was born on July 22 1880, in South Thomaston Knox Maine. She was singing . The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Hi Sherlock. On the back of the coat, a no-longer-visible semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. The identity of the man who murdered a schoolgirl in 1946 remains a mystery after DNA left on her'little red riding hood' coat failed to link to a notorious child killer. So with that revelation the re-opened inquiry could have cost 15 million or more as did the Gwent Police inquiry into the disgraced former Abertillery care home owner Dr Dana Pras. "[4] Police also circulated photos of the United States Army-issued gun; notably, perspex had been used to modernise the original wooden stocks next to the grip. I informed D.C.I. All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. That DNA was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. It was tracked down to a store room, in a current police station, in a very dark corner. On the afternoon of Muriels murder, thirteen-year-old Hoyles purchased eggs from Muriels mother at their family farm. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. He could not be placed at the scene, and the DNA ruled him out of the investigation. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. "South Wales Police has had considerable success with cold case reviews being one of the first forces in the country to set up a review team in 1999 to conduct cold case reviews. Muriel Jean Drinkwater Birth unknown Death 1983 Burial. Hi Neil. ', Sister of murdered Idaho student Kalyee Goncalves gives birth to baby girl and gives it middle name 'MaddieKay' in tribute to her and slain best friend Maddie Mogen, CDC issues 'serious public health alert' over nationwide spike in drug-resistant stomach bug that infects half a million Americans each year, Mark Walhberg is SLAMMED for presenting SAG Award to Asian cast of Everything Everywhere All At Once following his hate crime conviction for assaulting Asian men in 1988. They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. "And we know, even though it had been 60 years since it went into storage, that it is hers. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. In a Welsh village during the summer of 1946, a 12-year-old girl is brutally murdered. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. Are you able to tell me if her father has been cleared via DNA profiling?. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Neil. Her mother seen her approaching 400 yards away, so perhaps she was a selected victim. And four months after Jones left the army Muriel was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea. Fingers crossed that one day a DNA match can give us the breakthrough needed to solve this case. South Wales Police detectives requested the original case file from Kent Police to determine if there was a connection. Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. 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[9] Detectives from Scotland Yard came to Swansea to assist in the investigation. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Only the exhumation of Jones body or D.N.A. 2023 BBC. Thank you once again and I wish you every success with your forthcoming publication. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. Its her birthday tomorrow, and still no closer to finding her killer. Read about our approach to external linking. taken from Jones exhumed body can the police honestly say catergorically that Jones was or was not Muriels killer. She had been raped, bludgeoned about the head and shot twice in the chest. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. It is frustrating that the Wales Online story of Saturday 7 November states the police have D.N.A. But when they tested a stain on Muriel's coat it did not come up with a link to child murderer Harold Jones - who is also suspected of being a serial killer dubbed Jack the Stripper. 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With the help from a niece of Muriel Drinkwater I pursued my research which led to South Wales Police taking a D.N.A. To see documentary google Dark Lands Muriel Drinkwater iplayer. You can Google ones in your area or check out Twitter (but I recommend checking their credentials). Lets deduce, her killer was obviously male, or were they, unless they had extracted the sperm from another person it is definite that they are a male, so we have a male, s/ that narrows it down. It was an article that said that Harries had worked for Muriel's father John at the time of her murder. But the mystery doesn't end there and the team want to unlock the mystery behind a book belonging to Muriel that turned up in a charity shop decades after her death. [7], The next day, Drinkwater's body was found in the woods by a police inspector. Harries was hanged in 1954 for the double murder of John and Phoebe Harries. Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', and have uncovered a new prime suspect. 4th daughter born to Lilian and Charles Herbert Irvine in Liverpool. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. The Little Red Riding Hood murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Despite a number of leads and suspects, police have not been able to identify her killer. The 73-year-old stain was discovered during a cold case review in 2003 and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of evidence in the world. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. I am not a DNA scientist so sadly I cannot answer this question for you. 2023 The True Crime Files. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. Muriel N Drinkwater (born Maker) was born on month day 1903, at birth place, to Thomas L Maker and Margaret L Maker (born Baum). But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts had a major breakthrough when they found a semen stain on Muriel's coat. ~ Christine. It was believed a similar weapon had been used in the murder of a cinema manager in Bristol. Thanks again and take care. They also announced in May 2019 that Abertillery double child killer Harold Jones had also been cleared of Muriels murder. Hi Neil. This true crime happened in Penllegaer Woods on the outskirts of Swansea in 1946. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. It blighted my life. For Hoyles, and no doubt numerous other people in Penllergaer,every dollar spent bringing Muriels killer one step closer to justice has been a dollar well spent. In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. [13] However, in 2019, South Wales Police stated that forensic tests on the DNA "categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. Unless he bludgeoned first then he raped, this would have caught her by surprise. However, what happened to Jones once he left Wandsworth jail in December 1941, aged 35, remains a mystery. The reason given for sealing the files was that it could help the police catch the perpetrator. The detectives in the programme got a breakthrough when they were able to track down Muriel's relative Martin Phillips, who had been six at the time of the murder. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. It was believed the victim's clothes had been lost. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. Business class plane passenger refuses to give up his seat so a man could sit next to his wife on her birthday - selfish or fair enough? There were soldiers still in the area after the war and they used to train in Penllergaer woods. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. MLS breaks attendance records on the opening weekend of the new season as both Charlotte and Atlanta welcome over 67,000 fans - more than the average crowd at 13 NFL teams! She was was found murdered in 1980 in a field in Dixon, CA. Martyn Lloyd-Evans again regarding the letter from D.C.Paul Rogers. The police statement that Jones was ruled out is a misleading statement. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home, she was murdered. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. Over the years, South Wales Police have fought tooth and nail to prevent me gaining any information under the Freedom of Information Requests Act. Lloyd-Evans told me that he was convinced that a suspect regarding Muriels murder would soon be identified through D.N.A. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. Muriel was the same age as my Aunt Peggy and they went to Primary school together.
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